1979 Writer's Digest article on Jay Anson

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1979 Writer's Digest article on Jay Anson

Post by msmart112 » Sun May 11, 2008 3:46 pm

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Post by Chichibcc » Sun May 11, 2008 3:52 pm

I feel that some of the "embellishing" Anson did while writing "The Amityville Horror" was one of the key factors that contributed to the skepticism the Lutzes faced concerning their story.

Yes, we all know that he "only wrote it," but if you're supposedly writing a book based on a "true story," wouldn't you prefer to conduct some further verification and research to back up that claim in order to write a book that could actually be considered a "credible source of information" on the topic at hand? I would, and it didn't appear as if Anson was too interested in that.
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Post by Dan the Damned » Sun May 11, 2008 3:58 pm

Thanks, Max! Its rare to see full articles on Anson. :D

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Post by Dan the Damned » Sun May 11, 2008 4:57 pm

Some nice info. So according to Anson, the Lutz tapes came out to 35 hours in length. But he says, "George on his own had told his story on tape." That kinda sounds like the tapes consisted of George speaking solo, and not with his family (as George describes it)?

Anson also says he interviewed George for 5 hours - that's news to me. He mentions interviewing Father Ray, some cops, and some people from the Historical Society (doesn't mention the Warrens, but also doesn't say that is a complete list).

And he attributes the weather discrepancies to himself. "...sometimes I make mistakes." So that seems to add credence to the theory that the day the Lutzes found hoofprints in the snow, they didn't give Anson an exact date. So the only weather contradiction in the Lutzes' version of events would be the storm on the last night.

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Post by sherbetbizarre » Sun May 11, 2008 5:06 pm

Fantastic find, Max :)

George and Kathy were on the tapes, not sure why Anson says "George on his own"

And what's with Rick Moran where he "broadly hints that the people in the book were coached in thier story by a third party (un-named) who plans a book of his own"

Who could he be talking about? Weber?

This guy has changed his pro-hoax stories more times than he claims the haunting has changed!

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Post by zzvampy » Sun May 11, 2008 7:36 pm

Thanks for this , Max!

So, Anson admits that some of the discrepencies were due to him. I think most of us, whether
pro-haunting or pro-hox pretty much figured that was the case.

I noticed that the author of this particular article had a few discrepencies himself.
For example, the spelling of Kathy's name. Nothing all that major I guess.

I found this part interesting for a totally different reason...in his OWN words, Anson said:
I haven't bought andy fancy clothes,
I still rent my cars from Hertz, I may buy some more cashmere sweaters. I love cashmere.
And well, I'm building a small place in Majorca and my wife and I went to Italy on a short vacation.


Roxanne Kaplan, Rick Moran and Peter Jordan had this to say...note Jordan's attempt at extremely
poor sarcasm
when discussing Anson's death. Maybe it's just me, but I fail to find any sort of
humor in someone having a fatal heart attack.

And now that I have read this article, I have to wonder if Mr. Moran and Mr. Jordan weren't perhaps
creating their own words and not Anson's words at all.

:?:

http://www.shattereddreamzz.com/jordan.mp3

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Post by Dan the Damned » Sun May 11, 2008 7:57 pm

zzvampy wrote:So, Anson admits that some of the discrepencies were due to him. I think most of us, whether pro-haunting or pro-hox pretty much figured that was the case.
Yes, but its good to get as much validation as possible.

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Post by littlemissme » Mon May 12, 2008 8:59 am

sherbetbizarre wrote:Fantastic find, Max :)

George and Kathy were on the tapes, not sure why Anson says "George on his own"

And what's with Rick Moran where he "broadly hints that the people in the book were coached in thier story by a third party (un-named) who plans a book of his own"

Who could he be talking about? Weber?

This guy has changed his pro-hoax stories more times than he claims the haunting has changed!
Sherb, how do you know they were both on the tapes. :lol:

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Post by sherbetbizarre » Mon May 12, 2008 10:49 am

George always said him and Kathy did the tapes together in an effort to come to terms with what they went through...

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Post by littlemissme » Mon May 12, 2008 10:53 am

sherbetbizarre wrote:George always said him and Kathy did the tapes together in an effort to come to terms with what they went through...
Hmm, I see... :P

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Post by Dan the Damned » Mon May 12, 2008 11:14 am

from Lou Gentile/Penn State Unicon II (2003):
George Lutz: When Kathy and I first moved out of the house, one of the things we knew was that we had to undo this - we had to figure out a way to undo the effects of this house in any way that we could - and one of the things we did was we went and got a tape recorder and we just sat and talked. We spoke into this tape recorder and we started remembering things. And one of the things we learned in that process was that we had experienced different things at the same time in different rooms. What I mean by that is that Kathy's perceptions of what was going on for her - some of the events that were occurring around her or to her, or thoughts that were going through her mind, or her feelings, both physically and emotionally - were so varied and different from mine. So we started to unravel some of what had gone on during the time that we had been in the house, and it was also a therapy that I think was probably one of the best things we did was just talking about it and being unafraid to talk about it - it was just for us. It was never for someone else to listen to. Some of it, we were drinking quite a bit, and some of the language on it is very harsh. It was not ever to be listened to by anyone else.

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Post by littlemissme » Mon May 12, 2008 11:37 am

Ty. :D

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Ray Buckland and George Lutz.

Post by sherbetbizarre » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:14 pm

From another thread...
Ayko wrote:The book I was refering to in my post was the 'Anson novel' (abbreviations because according to my research he was not the author).
Now there's an interesting development! :think:

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Re: Ray Buckland and George Lutz.

Post by Ayko » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:03 pm

sherbetbizarre wrote:
Ayko wrote:The book I was refering to in my post was the 'Anson novel' (abbreviations because according to my research he was not the author).
Now there's an interesting development! :think:
My reasearch and information, and using logic, leads me to believe that Tam Mossman, a Prentice Hall editor in the 1970s, handed the project over to Anson after receiving it from a military ESP specialist who wished to remain anonymous. Not really a development, though, because I cannot prove that in a court of law. Shouldn't have even mentioned it. Glad your paying attention though.
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Re: Ray Buckland and George Lutz.

Post by sherbetbizarre » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:31 am

I don't know where to begin with this "information"!

The accepted version is that a friend of the Lutzes put them in touch with Tam Mossman (who had written some successful paranormal books) so no need for a "military ESP specialist" :P

Either way, if he "handed the project over to Anson" - why are you saying Anson was not the author.

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Post by Ayko » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:42 am

sherbetbizarre wrote:I don't know where to begin with this "information"!

The accepted version is that a friend of the Lutzes put them in touch with Tam Mossman (who had written some successful paranormal books) so no need for a "military ESP specialist" :P

Either way, if he "handed the project over to Anson" - why are you saying Anson was not the author.
No need for an ESP specialist (tongue back to you for whatever reason) except that The Amityville Horror uses true accounts and rearranges them in a novel structure with a writing style making it one of the scariest reads ever, I'm sure anyone would agree. So a writer who is also an ESP specialist is more likely to have written one of the best horror books of all time and not Anson who published about ten books, mostly documentary shorts, that are mediocre at best. I do not believe, or would any logicla person, that the work was a one time lucky shot by Anson that could never again even come close to that niveau of writing. In other words, logic suggests, that Anson was not the author. I offer my opinion based on research but, as I stated and you choose to ignore, I cannot prove that in a court of law nor do I wish to. I just stated my OPINION.

OPINION: In general, an opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e. based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of intuition and interpretation of facts. What distinguishes fact from opinion is that facts are verifiable, i.e. can be objectively proven to have occurred. Also, opinions may vary from person to person.

If you disagree with my opinion there is no need to state that you 'don't know where to begin with this information' because it is an opinion that you either share or do not. End of discussion not the beginning of one. Thanks for your time and attention.
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Re: Ray Buckland and George Lutz.

Post by sherbetbizarre » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:15 am

Did the "ESP specialist" see any of Anson's money?

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Post by kblur77 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:21 am

If Anson didnt write it, he certainly received no money.

Opinion excepted as truth now on to next daydream.

Whatever....

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Post by Ayko » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:03 am

kblur77 wrote:If Anson didnt write it, he certainly received no money.

Opinion excepted as truth now on to next daydream.

Whatever....
If you want to excempt my opinion of the truth then what is the truth in a score of cases that are littered with manipulated facts, lies, pseudo-names, sensationalism, fear, identity hiding, corruption of the 1970s, etc, especially the DeFeo family and Lutz family incidents.

If you meant 'opinion accepted as truth', to what do we owe your acceptance because, as I have stated many times, my opinion is based on unsubstantiated information and cannot be proven. My opinion could be correct but how can you be so sure. I cannot claim to be sure. No offence intended kblur77 but you sound condescending. Now on to next nightmare...
sherbetbizarre wrote:Did the "ESP specialist" see any of Anson's money?
If my opinion turns out to be correct, then our specialist, as I already stated, remained anonymous which means he did not receive or want any money or credit. He was not involved because of money and if Mossman had put himself as author then it would have been more believable that such a masterpiece of horror literature was written by him or in a colloboration. Anson is not a talented writer to the niveau of the book and has besically lived off the name with his other works having never been published if not for The Amityville Horror. If Stephen King, for example, was accused to have not written The Shining, hypothetically, you would have a tough time procing it especially with over 50 bestseller horror stories. If you have the talent you do not stop with one art piece. Such a premiere would be followed by scores of others, like with Stephen King, or Dean R Koontz, etc.

Why do you, sherbetbizarre, scippoi wannabe mc jimmysmokes, not start your off topic questions to me in an appropriate (new) topic? For example, topic headings: 'Is Jay Anson the real Author' started by sherbetbizarre or 'Explain in Full Detail Your Employment History' started by scippio mc wannabe, or 'Recreational Drug (Ab)Use' started by jimmysmokes. I would suggest to use this topic to discuss the possible relationship between Ray Buckland and George Lutz. That possible?
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Re: Ray Buckland and George Lutz.

Post by sherbetbizarre » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:02 pm

Ayko wrote:my opinion is based on unsubstantiated information and cannot be proven.
So I'm wondering why you find it so compelling..?
Why do you, sherbetbizarre (...) not start your off topic questions to me in an appropriate (new) topic?
I was thinking of moving it anyway... to here... so you can read the Anson interview at the top.

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Post by Ayko » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:28 pm

sherbetbizarre wrote:
Ayko wrote:my opinion is based on unsubstantiated information and cannot be proven.
So I'm wondering why you find it so compelling..?
I mentioned my opinion on the side in brackets during a discussion with BrookeForrester when he misunderstood that I was writing a book on the Long Island area horrors while we were on the subject of Buckland, TM use by the Lutz parents, etc. You, not me, were more than compeled (so you explain) to target my opinion as something foolish with your tongue sticking and quotation marks that focus only on a third party unknown author theory and my opinion on that but nothing about Buckland or the TM use or anything else on topic. Why is obvious but, I am glad you adhere to my demands so quickly and moved the silliness to this topic which will surely fall away from the front page here again fast. You still haven't commented on my Suffolk/Nassau horror history summary. I understand, though, something like that does not compel you to reply or interest you but, one tiny opinion that is really meaningless except that you continue to hack on it, is. If it's the last word you want, take it but make it respectable and worthy of a moderator or administrator, or whatever you consider yourself, that has not one comment for spam troll jimmysmokes but non stop about my Amityville Horror author opinion which is plausible, at the least, and on topic as opposed to jimmysmokes spamming. You need a real job for once, I think and I need to stop wasting my time with you.
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