The Ghostie Boy photo thread

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Post by wild 7 » Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:23 am

how did you guys find the pic of theghost boy? :?:

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Post by tallman » Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:19 pm

well i asked somebody in a private message, if you ask me i will get the link to you, and the website i have has many other cool photos also
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Post by Clockwork » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:30 pm

I saw it, looks really authentic which makes it even more creepy..

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Post by tallman » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:33 pm

yup it sure is that stare, and it looks just like the youngest defeo boy
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Post by Mali » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:01 am

That's what gave me the willies. It looks ALOT like the youngest DeFeo boy except the face is real veiny like.

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Post by Clockwork » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:50 am

I thought it looked like the other son, not the youngest.. Thats just the way I see it though! :?

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Post by Secrets » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:10 am

I agree that it looks more like the other DeFeo boy, but i don`t think any of them wore glasses? (I may of course be wrong...). On the dvd, the image is quite clear, and by playing a little with photo tools, the glasses are quite easy to see - even the ornamentics on them (the "dot" on the right side). The "glowing effect" appears to be reflections. To me, it looks like a pair of "old style" womans glasses. Anyway, it is a really creepy photo!
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Post by Littlelukey » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:16 am

Thats what I think too. It is a kid running around wearing a pare of glasses and the reflection in them is giving his eyes an eerie look. I think the photo has been set up. :?

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Post by pyro83 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:25 pm

If anyone has the link id like to see

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Post by tallman » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:39 pm

well the only link i had, they took the picture off, if anybody else has one please message me. i cannot beleive i didnt save the pic :cry:
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Post by radiomixer » Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:22 pm

Greetings to All

My name is Beck; I just joined today. I come from a family of folks who were/are inordinately blessed (if you think of it that way) with psychic/clairvoyant ability. I have lived through many paranormal experiences and what you may think of as "hauntings," throughout most of my life. Of the four members of my immediate family who have this 'other sight' or keen perceptions, there are only two survivors and there is a good chance I am the one with the least ability.

Rather than bore anyone with off-topic report, I'll stick to the subject at hand.

The "Ghost Boy" picture in the Amityville house is a genuine photo.

It is not a picture of a ghost. It is an impression generated from a demonic entity. It is trying to fashion the shape of a young boy in order to draw people closer to it. It is not a picture of a boy who is wearing glasses. Entities of a demonic nature are known to have trouble 'reproducing/projecting' eyes.

The entity does not have dark hair -- the apparition is blonde, which does not appear to be evident in the picture. Therefore it is not a ghost of any of the DeFeo children at all. This entity predates the DeFeos living there.

It is much older, and taller, than is represented in the photo. It's entirely possible this was the entity that appeared to the Lutz family as "Jodie." That's a fairly frightening thought. This type of demon will give hints as to what it really is. This is evidenced by one of the drawings that the youngest daughter made. Yes, I realize that the family may have disputed whether or not she ever said that "Jodie" appeared as a young boy ... this is beside the point.

This is really difficult to describe to folks who aren't used to seeing/dealing with such entities. I have not spoken of such in over two decades. I have no idea why I was 'pressed' to speak today, but will assume (due to the "feel" of it) that this is information intended to enlighten or even empower someone.

The type of energy that a ghost has/is comprised of, is very different from the spectral material that an entity can manipulate. Entities are far stronger. Hence, with the exception of the eyes, the "boy" appears far more solid that your usual 'ghost image.'

Since you're likely to think I'm looney-bin material anyway, let me go further.

A very powerful demonic spirit was indeed courting "Butch" DeFeo for some time before the murders occurred. However, Butch didn't actually become aware of it until after he'd begin committing the unthinkable. It was projected into his mind in such a way as to sound/seem like his own thoughts.

This demonic entity (it is not a spirit, per se) was bouyed tremendously by the action that took place the night the Defeo family was murdered. To it, it was nothing less than astounding success. A family dead, a mind successfully corrupted. It was more concerned with the corruption rather than the deaths, as I am almost sure all of the Defeos wound up in, shall we say, "good" territory. So this wasn't a "let's damn all these souls"-type action.

Oops. BRB.

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Post by Secrets » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:22 pm

Welcome Beck! :D
I have to say that i find your post very interesting - was the picture that you saw from the documentary or the net?

The "thing" on the picture must be quite solid (the bannister casts a shadow on it), and i think its shadow falls into the room behind it (i don`t believe that the shadow is missing like some say).

There is a couple of strange areas in the face - one "line" over the nose, and something a bit unclear on the right side.

To me, it actually looks like a morph between the oldest of the DeFeo boys and Lorraine Warren.

It would be interesting to see more pictures from the investigation, so one could make a comparison with the people that were present at the time...
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Post by SilkyPup » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:26 pm

Hi Beck! I feel the exact same way, just never was able to put it into words. I think this entity is still "courting" [good word for it so I will use it too] do you agree?

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Post by radiomixer » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:38 pm

There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the Lutz family was visited and attacked by this entity. The two ghosts that I see in connection with the house during the "Lutz" timeline are very weakened spirits who too were um "bullied" (for lack of better word) as much by the entity. Only one of them was brave enough to reach out to the family. This former person appears to be an older woman; it is this spirit that Kathy would claim would embrace her from behind.

There was a second entity there with the major one. I cannot get a "full reading" of it, and, it stayed behind. The stronger entity indeed followed the Lutz family, or at least for some period of time. The Lutz family fled before it could "reach it's goals." I am not privy to what the goals specifically were, only that they were extremely negative in nature.

So, you may ask, why did the next occupants of the Amityville house report no activities? Simply put, they lacked the 'receptors,' or were otherwise unopen to it's existance. Not all may see. Not all can see.

It, and at least two ghosts remain there.

The night of the Defeo murders, there was powerful, powerful demonic activity connected with every gunshot. It was powerful enough to keep the other family members from hearing the shots as each were killed. What disturbs me most is not all of them died immediately, however, none could seemingly move from their posture of being in that position on their stomachs. This point disturbs me very very much.

I have seen (and have been witness to) entities that could allow one human to hear something that the human standing next to them cannot hear.

I apologize for the back-and-forth disorganization of these memories, but I'm just writing them down as I remember one part and another. I will not be letting my family know that I have responded here. I have been quiet about my abilities for a long time. Also, my comp is down, I'm borrowing this one tonight. If possible I will try to join the chat tonight, please bear with me, this message board format is still fairly new to me.

I may be back to add additional detail but at the moment my bud needs his comp again. Thanks for listening.

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Post by NCPilot » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:16 pm

So the enity is still there, but because families like the Wilson does not believe theres anything there, its helpless? Also does this enity thrive on dsyfunitonal families? Is that why it was able to corrupt Butch mind?

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Post by radiomixer » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:38 pm

Hi Secrets! Thanks for the welcome :D

The first time I saw the photo, it was twenty-something years ago, I found it among some related photographs in a paperback book; don't recall which book
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Could have possibly been a book by the Warren couple? We had two or three of them in the house, I think.

I have never forgotten the photograph as it is completely unique to me, to know that it is a demonic entity and not a spirit or apparition. I see ghosts in photos regularly .. it's become so common to me. But offhand I can't tell you of a single other photo I've seen that has stuck with me throughout the years like that one has. Had you ever seen an entity like that in person, you would recall it all your life *with*clarity.* To see it captured on film really shocked me.

But I wanted to 'touch base' with it again before I posted on it, so I looked it up on the web. In the book, the boy/entity was on the right-hand side of the page; on the website, it was flipped to the other side. Otherwise the photo is exactly how I remember it, even after not having seen it for so many years.

I have heard that some believe the figure casts no shadow. Nah. It's easy to see that the light is striking his face in such a way that the shadow is hidden behind the face.

I won't hold my breath waiting for anyone to say that the apparition looks "gaseous," or 'appears as a mist,' or an ecto imprint of some sort. That thing returns light to the camera and appears as solidly human. Your everyday ghost just doesn't do that.


Hi SilkyPup!

You wrote: I think this entity is still "courting" [good word for it so I will use it too] do you agree?

Without doubt. This type of entity is capable of being completely quiet for loads of time. They don't live in linear time the way us human folk do. They can easily be attached to two places at once. Understand, the demonic entity is strongly identified with it's objective: specifically to corrupt the faithful. It also possesses horrifying abilities, not the least of which is the ability to physically harm humans that are essentially existing in a different dimension from them. They can move through/between with ease.

Thanks for your responses!

Beck

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Post by radiomixer » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:37 am

Hi NCPilot!
So the enity is still there, but because families like the Wilson does not believe theres anything there, its helpless?


Belief and sight are two different things. Just because they (the current owners) lack the ability to 'see' it doesn't mean it isn't there, and it may in fact be showing itself in ways the family doesn't pick up on. For example, they may think their car keys have been picked up by another family member rather than moved as with poltergeist activity. Or they may think someone forgot to turn off the TV in the den when in fact it was turned on by a ghost or force. Both of these can manipulate engines and electrical equipment. Which is why I thought it was pretty funny that the blippin' computer monitor "gave up the ghost" before I could get back here and post again.


Also does this enity thrive on dsyfunitonal families? Is that why it was able to corrupt Butch mind?

Essentially yes. It's more like it's attracted to flaws to exploit, and some sorts of flaws could be described as non-normal/dysfunctional, but most especially when those flaws are related to faith. Or if the dysfunction as much as demoralizes the family (as a whole) in question, it makes it more likely to have bigger flaws to exploit. Like a comparison to brainwashing. Sleep deprivation can be a very powerful key in the process pf brainwashing. It works to break people down, provides the platform upon which the brainwashing can be built.

Families can sometimes hide dysfunctions very well from outside eyes, so who is to say? I've not tried to 'tune into them' to try to gauge one way or the other.

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Post by Howard64 » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:34 am

It has been my understanding that entities of this nature are Master at deception and of camoflauge. That they wear down a person strengths, makes them think they (person or persons) are going crazy... I.E. sleep deprivation, neurotic behavior. I also think they (entities) feed on fear as well as innocence. Which is why i think children seem to be the center of attention in alot of cases.

I have never seen a ghost nor any kind of entity. But i KNOW they exist. In such a case as the house in Amityville, its hard to prove or disprove much of the story. But alas...theres the confusion!! Imagine that.

I cannot say for sure if there is or isnt anything still there. It has been my experience to NOT accept things at face value. I mean ignorance is bliss,, but only to a point. I wont disrespect any claims of what Persephone has made, quite frankly cause from my own research into evil and the minions thereof, alot makes sense.

This kind of subject is NOT to be taken lightly, nor is it something to casually fool around with. I sincerely think that the Lutzes dabbling into TM gave the enitity the green light to come in and take over. Which i feel is like giving it written permission to join them.

God CLearly states to avoid such practices. I cannot recall the exact verse, but ill look it up. (sorry no coffee yet, im useless till i have my first full cup) I would like to continue to post on this subject, perhaps even talk more with you persephone, I think we could cover some interesting ground with imperical discussion and notes.

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Post by radiomixer » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:23 pm

Hello Wado!

:) Thank you for your response. You bring up quite a few excellent points.

I'd like to preface by saying, I took a long time to post last night because there was much to "gauge," if you will, in the ways and things others here know, and what they can understand. In some cases I was not sure if folks were ready to hear the full extent of what I had to report, so I touched some bases, and edited myself on others. I have to do that in lots of situations so don't think it specifically has to do with the place, moreso with the audience.

For example, I'm not sure that everyone would understand what I meant when I wrote, "George Lutz opened a portal of types, one which he was not capable of closing back." So I deleted it from my posts. However it appears you are capable of understanding what I meant by that. I know others here do too. That's great! Unfortunately, not all here are in a position to do so, therefore I'm trying to be very careful with how I'm trying to enunciate what I'm experiencing/seeing, and that which I know.

Enough of that. Let's move on to some of those great points you made!


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It has been my understanding that entities of this nature are Master at deception and of camoflauge. That they wear down a person strengths, makes them think they (person or persons) are going crazy... I.E. sleep deprivation, neurotic behavior.

You're so very close, but it's not quite that cut-and-dried. :D To defeat a demon, one must try to understand how it/they operate, and what goals are important to it, and what it is capable of. One had better endeavor to understand what both they and the demon are carrying in their respective 'tool boxes,' to make a poor analogy, before one dare ever "ring the cosmic doorbell" of one.

A demon might do exactly the opposite to a person, i.e., build their confidence rather than seek to erode belief of themself or their beliefs that go to the positive. It may heal a human just for the further deception of the subject. It might even "graft" the ability of the subject to be able to heal others, simply to tweak one's ego into falling into a vanity trap. It controls things both great and subtle. Some could easily argue that the subtle approach carries far more damaging weight.

Example: If an actual demon decided to appear in full solidity before a group of humans, some of them are going to immediately call out for God/a higher power/ to assist them. Last thing a demon wants, a fight, a confrontation. If you see one in person, there will be zero shred of a doubt of what you are facing. You will not sit there and wonder if it is an apparition or ghost. The horrid, fearsome presence alone would flood every sense of perception that you have; there is no chance you will mistake it for that which it is not. And the last thing it wants is for you to call out for Big Daddy, or even more detrimental to it, to use your ability to "bind and cast out." The subtle approach gives it more time to corrupt matters bit by bit. They usually seek the path of least resistance first. It's more infusive, 'en'sinuating, if it takes it's time. Confrontation would bring things to an immediate head -- not in their best interests.

Demons have rules/abilities they can't evidence, and ultimately a lack of prescience. For instance, they can't just pop up and decide "hmmm this human is positive, so I will convert his belief and soul." The entity cannot succeed unless you in some way hand it a key or wave it on in through your cosmic front door. And even then, you will be allowed stages in which your can reassert your freewill and ability to squash the 'permission.'

By the same token, if they pinpoint a person whom they hope to convert/corrupt, they do not have the ability to look forward in time to see if their effort will be a success or not. They can only plot along and hope for success. It has other limitations as well.

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I also think they (entities) feed on fear as well as innocence. Which is why i think children seem to be the center of attention in alot of cases.

Fear indeed feeds them. Innocence doesn't, innocence grates on the very essence of their being. But they are not above using the young and innocent for their ends. For example, "Jodie" did not scare Missy, in fact, if you'll recall, Missy once asked Kathy 'what an angel looks like.' A very interesting and important clue there. Obviously to the child, it was pretty, playful, even at times capable of reproducing beautiful or magical works. Missy was never in demonic danger (during that time). However she was used as a tool to frighten George and Kathy. What could be more demoralizing than to show them that the entity kept close to her, even befriended her, BUT, when Missy would turn to look at Kathy, a horrifying sight of demonic, glowing red eyes appears right over the child's soldier, directly behind her. The entity gathered far more strength from the parent's fear rather than any from the child.

But to a demon, the innocence of a child is nothing less than painful, power-consuming. They harbor great hatred towards that which is innocent, great hatred and deep jealousy, even scorn.

There is, however, a second way in which children are used, and it is thankfully far more uncommon. If the demon becomes 'angered' that an adult is not responding to the demonic advances, it may decide the adult has spiritual strength, and may become incensed to torture the child to erode the parent's belief. But that is also true of any person the attackee is close to. Doesn't necessarily have to be a child.

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I have never seen a ghost nor any kind of entity. But i KNOW they exist. In such a case as the house in Amityville, its hard to prove or disprove much of the story. But alas...theres the confusion!! Imagine that.

While I agree that anyone should have a healthy amount of skepticism, I offered my remarks as facts. Those facts are as real as the keyboard I'm typing on: solid. Think I'm nuts? Well, that would be your prerogative. What would I possibly gain from reporting these things falsely? I'm offering assistance ... particularly to one person, if you'll forgive the presumptive sound of that claim, I don't know how else to describe it.
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This kind of subject is NOT to be taken lightly, nor is it something to casually fool around with. I sincerely think that the Lutzes dabbling into TM gave the enitity the green light to come in and take over. Which i feel is like giving it written permission to join them.

Well said on both points!
Both you and I can see certain folks who might be unwittingly courting dangers, and certainly on numerous other places on the net. One of the reasons you post here is due to your concern that others not be harmed by lack of good or right information. Care to deny that? :D

And thank you for bringing up an important aspect: that of the 'open invitation.' But don't judge George too harshly. He didn't seek to condemn, he sought to enlighten, 'expand.' Here's another sucky analogy: try to think of good and evil as two bandwidths on a radio, AM and FM. Let's say the FM represents things of a positive nature. But George doesn't think of it in those terms; he reads that in order to "hear" or "receive" better, one may merely turn the radio on. George can't see in advance that TM essentially opens both channels, or the full spectrum of bandwidth. He doesn't understand that the source of this power can just as easily be flipped to the AM end of the spectrum. And all that separates the two is a small switch that can easily be thrown with a single finger.

He wasn't really sure of what it would do, only wished to 'open his field of consciousness.' This was the 70's, TM was a popular topic of books at the time, as well as books by Jeane Dixon, Edgar Cayce, the Warrens.

Where he erred was in not researching what the radio could do. And whether he would be fully equipped to turn it off.

I sincerely hope he will consider closing the portal sooner than later. It's within his ability. But you can't teach a person how to have a faith-type of belief. And worse, he has PTSD. He still has some inner issues to contend with on that one.

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God CLearly states to avoid such practices. I cannot recall the exact verse, but ill look it up. (sorry no coffee yet, im useless till i have my first full cup) I would like to continue to post on this subject, perhaps even talk more with you persephone, I think we could cover some interesting ground with imperical discussion and notes.

Thanks for looking that up, I'd be interested in hearing it. I'll do my best to answer, just keep in mind, there's a difference between being blessed with sight and being blessed with writing skills lol It's difficult to explain myself to an audience of such varied belief/backgrounds.

And thanks again for your response!

Beck

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Post by Howard64 » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:16 pm

Wow!!! what a response!! intelligent and informative...very refreshing:)

I'd like to express that the word..."wado" is cherokee for thank you:)

Please understand I was not trying to claim you were a nut or anything. I was only expressing that i would not need to "SEE" such things to know they exist...thats all:)

As far as posting here...you hit the nail on the head. Education is the best way to prevent ill things from happening to folks. Please dont mistake what i said about TM as disrespecting George in any way.

I will look up the verses tonight concerning dabbling in the occult...right from the good book itself:)

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Post by radiomixer » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:01 pm

Thanks for the kind words :oops:

Verrrry interesting note about Wado (thank you!) because my bloodline includes both Cherokee and Creek Indian. I'll try to post a pic here for you, and you tell me if you can see it in my cheekbones <wink>. I'm also an honorary Apache; my Apache given name was bestowed by a descendant of Geronimo, and the given Apache name is "Tosh-Tay." Actually I enjoy getting to know other folks ... have been lucky to meet quite a few.

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