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Rick Moran on White Noise Paranormal Radio

Postby Dan the Damned » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:36 am

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Looks like this interview is just a few hours away -- 10pm for England/Sherb; 2pm for me (California); 5pm EST.

from: blogtalkradio.com:

Be sure to join the White Noise Paranormal Radio team for the third instalment of the second season of their acclaimed guest based talk show.

Tonight Jason and Kelly will be joined by Paranormal Investigator Rick Moran.

Rick Moran is best known in the field of Unexplained Phenomenon as the investigator who debunked Jay Anson’s famous book, The Amityville Horror, but that is not the whole story.

Rick began his journalism career at the age of 14, when he photographed his first major fire and sold it to a New York newspaper. After graduating from high school he went joined the “family business,” namely the New York City Police Department.

While a police officer, Rick freelanced for a number of newspapers in New York and later became a principal writer for Psychic World magazine, travelling the country on his days off, covering assignments for CBS' Popular Magazine Group.

In 2006, Rick decided that he would start a paranormal research and field investigation group in Texas and received permission from earlier members of ASUP to continue to use their name.

Don't miss this special episode!!!!!!!

Questions for Rick and the team can be sent in by email to:

kellywhitenoise@aol.com

prior to the show commencing at 10pm (GMT) or you can text your question to:

UK Listeners: 07599 595 742

USA Listeners: 44 7599 595 742

Alternatively you can ask your questions in our Blogtalk Radio Chatroom live during the broadcast.

White Noise Paranormal Radio broadcasts live every Friday night from 10pm (London) until midnight, exclusively on the BlogTalkRadio network.

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Postby Amit Y Ville » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:15 pm

How enormous is he? I didn't realise he was a wrestler.
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Postby Chichibcc » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:33 pm

I like that illustration of the house! Nicely done.
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Postby Dan the Damned » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:38 pm

20 mins left. I changed my mind and called in, but their system hung up on me. I'm on hold right now -- don't know if I'll get back on or not. Rick is talking alot of BS...

Father Ray was Kathy's psychiatrist??? :roll:
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Postby Chichibcc » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:45 pm

Dan the Damned wrote:
Father Ray was Kathy's psychiatrist??? :roll:


He said that???

Besides, did Kathy ever really consult with a psychiatrist anyway? I doubt it.
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Postby Dan the Damned » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:11 pm

Oh well... What is it with Amityville and everyone just making up their own BS about it? The Warrens, Holzer and Rick Moran all just seem to make up whatever they please and push it off on the public as fact.

I was trying to call back in, so I missed a good portion of the show. A podcast of it should be up in the iTunes store fairly soon, so when I get a chance I'll listen to it and list all the crap parts. :wink:

One that I remember off-hand was him claiming to have been inside the DeFeo house on the day after the murders. He said he knew the cop guarding the house, and this guy supposedly said, "Hey Rick, you wanna come in and have a look?"

Funny how Rick never mentioned this in his 1978 FATE article, or anywhere else. Previously he claimed that he went inside the house back when the Cromartys lived there.
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Postby Brendan72 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:43 pm

"Amityville expert"?

Since when does stepping into the house make one an expert?

I think these so-called naysayers / self-proclaimed "experts" live in an alternate (or fantasy) reality.

And without Amityville just what would Rick Moran and Ric Osuna be doing? The latter is doing it now - being a rent-a-cop!
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Postby msammons » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:46 pm

Does this guy really believe what he is saying? He is still perpetuating the idea that Dawn killed everyone and Ronnie killed Dawn.
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Postby astonio » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:15 pm

Brendan72 wrote:"Amityville expert"?

Since when does stepping into the house make one an expert?

I think these so-called naysayers / self-proclaimed "experts" live in an alternate (or fantasy) reality.

And without Amityville just what would Rick Moran and Ric Osuna be doing? The latter is doing it now - being a rent-a-cop!


He's a security guard now??? :shock: :shock:
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Postby Brendan72 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:43 am

The guy appears to have drifted from one profession to the next throughout his adult life.
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Postby sherbetbizarre » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:48 am

You can now listen to the interview at Dan's link above...
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Postby sherbetbizarre » Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:25 am

I've started to listen on iTunes... here are some thoughts. After a while I strated putting the time in minutes next to each comment:

- Holzer was never at the original investigation.

- Ronnie was watching Castle Keep on the same floor as the bedrooms (except Dawns) and not in the "living room" as Moran states, so he would have have the shots all around him (if Dawn were shooting).

- Dawn had powder burns on her right hand?

- 18mins Moran spoke to Ronnie? When was this?

- 25mins Dan explains Father Pecoraro was not Kathy's psychiatrist and gets a weary "okay..." response from Moran. Lol, and this is a guy who complains facts get "bent out of shape"? - Moran then says he spoke to George on a TV show "before he died" - this never happened.

- 32mins Do any of the available crime photos show lights from a "radio tower out of the bedroom windows?" plus you would have thought Moran would have more insight into how the Lutz/Weber/Hoffman meetings went down (being a friend of Hoffman's) than parroting Weber's tired "they made it up off the crime pics over wine" lines.

- 37mins Father Ray's car accident - in the middle of a violent storm?

- Neighbours were willing to sign affidavits saying the Lutzes were not there all the time?

- Jay Anson NEVER worked on the Exorcist screenplay! Wiliam Peter Blatty wrote it alone from his novel. Anson was involved in the making-of documentary for Professional Films - he likely wrote the script that 10 minute piece.

Still an hour to go...
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Postby SwingMan » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:31 am

I've seen short splices of interviews, but this is the first time I'm actually hearing him in an extended interview.

I'm about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way through right now. The guy's quite a storyteller. :lol: "In regular contact with Ronnie DeFeo"? "Ronnie was a gun/firearms instructor"? - where the hell does he pull this stuff out of?

The above so far have tempted me to call him by the name of Rick Moron.

At this point, I'm listening for pure entertainment rather than to glean a fact or two.....
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Postby astonio » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:38 am

sherbetbizarre wrote:- Dawn had powder burns on her right hand?


Don't forget he also include powder burns found on her right shoulder! (Almost incites me to take the Lord's name in vain here.... :roll: )



BRAVO, Dan! I heardz ya! You rocked and you had your facts at hand. I feel you were too conveniently disconnected.

This blowhard put me FAST to sleep on my couch and I had an assignment paper to do for class! Amazing how he became an authority, mind you, "credible authority" with so many of the facts askew. I think I threw up in my mouth a lot when he mentioned going back to the house the next morning taking pictures and a police officer welcomed him into the crime scene to "take a look around". His questionable expertise seems to be in hindsight alone and then mired with mistruths for the gaps in his story telling. I completely lost interest along the conversation of something about chasing pigs or something for hunting purposes. Also, his logistics are completely inaccurate. The Amityville Sound has NEVER been referred to as the Amityville River, to name one. His mention of Father Pecararo's automobile hood opening opposite of the normal way cars' hoods open on the Van Wyck appeared contrived and lifted from the film to further gas the listeners of his "expertise".

The man exhausts me and I am thankful his format is limited to such venues as he acquires. He would be completely blown out of the water if he presented this information to a mainstream media outlet. On top of which, if his information is so credible, why doesn't he or hasn't he reached out to his contacts at CBS after all these years?? Why does he continue to bolster Butch as a "gun safety expert (WTF'ityF)??? Mind you, going so far as to physically chastise a buddy for climbing over a stone wall during a hunting trip with the buddy's weapon improperly secured.....Good GOD almighty!
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Postby SwingMan » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:24 am

The main thing that I find just flat out annoying about what I've heard from the man is the fact that he'll declare the haunting a hoax and unequivocally declare this and that based on nothing more than his own conjecture - BUT, when he's pinned down on paranormal subjects, the SOB parrots the same structure of, "I'm not saying I believe in demons, but I'm not saying I DON'T believe in 'em."

One or the other, Moran - either you're in or you're out.

My bet is the man's ass is severely perforated from sitting on the fence, waiting for what kind of interview team comes along before he'll lean to one side or the other.

From what I've heard so far just from this interview, the man's nothing more than a sad opportunist who's Kaplan-lite in his attitude. Not so much a fraud as much as he's a straight ignorant little weasel with a vanity complex.
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Postby astonio » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:36 am

SwingMan wrote:The main thing that I find just flat out annoying about what I've heard from the man is the fact that he'll declare the haunting a hoax and unequivocally declare this and that based on nothing more than his own conjecture - BUT, when he's pinned down on paranormal subjects, the SOB parrots the same structure of, "I'm not saying I believe in demons, but I'm not saying I DON'T believe in 'em."

One or the other, Moran - either you're in or you're out.

My bet is the man's ass is severely perforated from sitting on the fence, waiting for what kind of interview team comes along before he'll lean to one side or the other.

From what I've heard so far just from this interview, the man's nothing more than a sad opportunist who's Kaplan-lite in his attitude. Not so much a fraud as much as he's a straight ignorant little weasel with a vanity complex.



...your last sentence......PRICELESS!!!
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Postby SwingMan » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:45 am

Just calling 'em as I see (or, in this case, hear) 'em, astonio. ;)

Gotta love the way the hosts let this idiot go on and on, basically givng him all the rope in the world to hang himself.

One thing to glean from this interview: Ego can be a rather harmful and dangerous thing. :lol:
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Postby msmart112 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:51 am

sherbetbizarre wrote:Moran then says he spoke to George on a TV show "before he died" - this never happened.


Not only that...but he attributed a certain line to George. Yet...in a 2007 interview...he attributed the same line to himself...

http://www.swfcabin.com/open/1235238129

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Postby astonio » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:04 am

SwingMan wrote:Just calling 'em as I see (or, in this case, hear) 'em, astonio. ;)

Gotta love the way the hosts let this idiot go on and on, basically givng him all the rope in the world to hang himself.

One thing to glean from this interview: Ego can be a rather harmful and dangerous thing. :lol:


Not for nothing, but it reminds me of that song from Dreamgirls: Fake your way to the top. (I am killing myself over here! :lol: :lol: :lol: )
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Postby SwingMan » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:13 am

astonio wrote:
SwingMan wrote:Just calling 'em as I see (or, in this case, hear) 'em, astonio. ;)

Gotta love the way the hosts let this idiot go on and on, basically givng him all the rope in the world to hang himself.

One thing to glean from this interview: Ego can be a rather harmful and dangerous thing. :lol:


Not for nothing, but it reminds me of that song from Dreamgirls: Fake your way to the top. (I am killing myself over here! :lol: :lol: :lol: )


No lie.

Chrissakes, this guy passes himself off as an expert, yet I get infinitely more intelligent and informed opinions, views and discussion right here - it's the main thing that tuned me on to the boards here a yeaf and a half ago, though I may not participate as often as I like.
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Postby Dan the Damned » Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:04 pm

astonio wrote:BRAVO, Dan! I heardz ya! You rocked and you had your facts at hand. I feel you were too conveniently disconnected.


Thanks. I wasn't gonna call-in at first because I am just getting over a cold, and yesterday I was still totally congested -- and the drawback of that is I can't think as quickly and I lose focus. So I was worried Rick might say something and I might freeze up due to my cold. But luckily that didn't happen.

They were having genuine problems with the whole system yesterday, finally getting the show to start 45 minutes late (after being unable to login to the Blogtalk system. And I think that affects their phones. The call-in line is in America, and this particular show is based in the UK, so it seems the phone-in line is controlled by the Blogtalk network.

As they were trying to connect me, I heard them say they couldn't hear me, so I kept repeating "hello? Helloooooo! I'm heeeeere!" I'm glad that part didn't make it on the air. :oops:

When I got disconnected, I could still hear all of them just fine, and once again I started chanting "hello." At that time I also heard heavy breathing -- not "sexy" breathing, but sounded like someone with breathing problems with his phone way too close to his face. So who knows.

But yeah, I would really love to debate Rick in some manner where we both can be heard at the same volume and one of us isn't at risk of being cut off. I'll even travel to Texas if need be (I'll hire Kat as security).

astonio wrote:His questionable expertise seems to be in hindsight alone and then mired with mistruths for the gaps in his story telling.


Exactly! That's totally the impression I get. I think he makes up things (like the DEA agent seeing Dawn leaving the house after the murders) to support his theories -- possibly feeling that the end justifies the means. That is simply unexcusable for someone calling themself an investigator. :evil:

msmart112 wrote:...he attributed a certain line to George. Yet...in a 2007 interview...he attributed the same line to himself...

http://www.swfcabin.com/open/1235238129


Yes!!! That is a FANTASTIC find, Max! :shock:

Let me just transcribe that. In a 2007 interview with Rick Wood, Moran said, "I'm always being asked to do radio and TV shows. The number of people involved in the original Amityville hoax is quickly dwindling by natural selection. And somebody made a joke, oh I guess it was about 10 years ago, they said, uh, 'When is this debate ever gonna end?' I said, 'When the last person from one side or the other drops dead.'

And just yesterday Rick changed that around, saying, "George told a lot of stories. Okay? And before George died, I asked him on a talk show, 'George, when will it end?' And his answer was, 'Whoever dies last wins.'

So here is a pretty clear cut example of Moran's revisionism in progress. Ya know, Moran reminds me of Green Acres' Mr Haney. In lots of ways.

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