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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by Dan the Damned » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:15 pm

A great sacrilege? I think that's a bit over the top.

On this Wikipedia page, you'll see that variances do exist, all within the Catholic faith.

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by jimmysmokes » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:17 am

Dan the Damned wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:15 pm
A great sacrilege? I think that's a bit over the top.

On this Wikipedia page, you'll see that variances do exist, all within the Catholic faith.
No man you’re way off! If you go on to the catholic sites you’ll see that under NO circumstances does a Catholic rite of blessing of a home take unless the entire family is with the priest from start to finish! Just like my family was when we had ours done.

No moving boxes or noise would have been allowed! It’s a sacred ritual. You listed a secular site source not a Catholic one. The family has to answer the prayers with the priest.

And he certainly would have told them what had happened to him in the sewing room.

He would’ve gotten another priest and performed another blessing to see if anything would’ve happened again. He’s put in this story to kick start the haunting. Without him the lutzes wouldn’t have had :) flower :)!

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by Dan the Damned » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:38 am

Okay, on that same site they feature "blessing before a meal" and there are 4 specific prayers listed for what should be said before and after a meal.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/reso ... ore-a-meal

Is it a sacrilege if you don't say those meal blessings exactly as written there? Because you and I both know that people "say grace" in many different ways.




jimmysmokes wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:17 am
If you go on to the catholic sites you’ll see that under NO circumstances does a Catholic rite of blessing of a home take unless the entire family is with the priest from start to finish!
Yeah? Okay, let me do just that. Let's see:

https://h-t.org/blessing-for-your-home
Oh. According to this one, you don't even need a priest to be there.

https://www.holyredeemervan.org/media/1 ... essing.pdf
This one also says a priest is not needed.

https://www.catholicdoors.com/prayers/e ... p02605.htm
This one just features a long prayer and adds: "Then the home is sprinkled with holy water."

https://www.wikihow.com/Bless-a-House
This one seems to mirror the way Father Ray blessed the house. Although this last one is from an evil secular site, so perhaps you'll go to Hell for viewing it.

Imagine that. I did just what you suggested and it didn't pan out the way you said it would... :think:



jimmysmokes wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:17 am
And he certainly would have told them what had happened to him in the sewing room.
Yes, he would surely want to panic the family right off the bat. Makes sense.


jimmysmokes wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:17 am
He would’ve gotten another priest and performed another blessing to see if anything would’ve happened again.
You sure do seem to know a lot about what Father Ray would do.

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by jimmysmokes » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:53 am

Yeah look who’s talking! Mr. Catholic Theologian!

And no he wouldn’t want to frighten them right off the bat, but rather than take a chance on exposing them to the danger that was there!

Saying grace over meals does not involve an ordained priest to execute. Doing a house blessing in the Catholic rite DOES! That’s why they go to a seminary to be ordained.

Yeah and he had great advice he gave them when he told them to leave the house. They went to Kathy’s mom and got attacked there! But they couldn’t go back to the house and live🤣?

And how much contact did the lutzes have with old fr. Ray over the years? None according to George. He dropped off the radar? So much for good friends huh? And when was it again that they actually met this priest? Before or after their marriage July 4 1975?

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by Dan the Damned » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:15 am

I went to a bunch of catholic sites, just as you suggested, and they said a priest didn't have to be present to do the house blessing.

I never said you need a priest execute "saying grace" at mealtime. I said that the website in question had 4 exact prayers that you say for different meals. But I grew up in a catholic household, and we didn't say those prayers worded in that same way. And I know a lot of other catholic households do not, either. The point being that "saying grace" is not an exact science, rather more of a gesture; and the words given on that website are suggestions of what you might say, not a direct order. Likewise, the house blessing "rules" listed on that same site might also just be a suggestion instead of a strict rulebook.

Again, I think you are really "out there" on this one. You're trying your hardest to suggest that the priest did not bless the house.

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by jimmysmokes » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:12 pm

Dan the Damned wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:15 am
I went to a bunch of catholic sites, just as you suggested, and they said a priest didn't have to be present to do the house blessing.

I never said you need a priest execute "saying grace" at mealtime. I said that the website in question had 4 exact prayers that you say for different meals. But I grew up in a catholic household, and we didn't say those prayers worded in that same way. And I know a lot of other catholic households do not, either. The point being that "saying grace" is not an exact science, rather more of a gesture; and the words given on that website are suggestions of what you might say, not a direct order. Likewise, the house blessing "rules" listed on that same site might also just be a suggestion instead of a strict rulebook.

Again, I think you are really "out there" on this one. You're trying your hardest to suggest that the priest did not bless the house.
https://forums.catholic.com/t/what-goes ... use/417384

There is to be no blessing of a new home unless those who will live in it are present.
Introductory Rites

When the family members and their relatives and friends have gathered in a convenient place, the minister says
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy **Spirit. **
All make the Sign of the Cross and reply:
Amen.

As I stated previously, the meal prayers do not have to be led by a priest, but can be recited by the family if they so desire. We're discussing an entirely different matter that is a RITUAL done by a priest. A family can go through their home and recite prayers to bless the house but does not constitute the place of the ritual or the powers that the priest possesses. It's like sinning and the sacrament of confession. A Catholic commits mortal sin and loses his grace that bars him from receiving communion. In order to remove the sin, the person must confess this sin to a priest. He can ask God to forgive him in his room, etc, but he cannot receive communion or be returned to the state of grace until he received absolution from an ordained priest. There are certain conditions that have to be met in order to effect the sacrament. Certain guidelines. The same applies to a blessing of a new home. Many have questioned the same Fr. Ray blessing of the Amityville home long before I came in here, on here.

Based on what I've read regarding this, and the Lutz claims about it, It does not add up. There are too many things that are questionable about it?

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by Dan the Damned » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:16 pm

jimmysmokes wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:12 pm
As I stated previously, the meal prayers do not have to be led by a priest, but can be recited by the family if they so desire.
As I stated before, I never said meal prayers need to be led by a priest.

We can both play the "I'm pretending to misread your post" game if you like.

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by jimmysmokes » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:23 pm

Yes, and I'm showing you what goes on in a proper house blessing as well as other things in the Catholic world that have to be met in order to receive the desired end.

Obviously you now know. Obviously you see the major problems that arise in the Lutz home blessing.

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by Dan the Damned » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:29 pm

And again, these catholic websites disagree with you:
Dan the Damned wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:38 am
https://h-t.org/blessing-for-your-home
Oh. According to this one, you don't even need a priest to be there.

https://www.holyredeemervan.org/media/1 ... essing.pdf
This one also says a priest is not needed.

https://www.catholicdoors.com/prayers/e ... p02605.htm
This one just features a long prayer and adds: "Then the home is sprinkled with holy water."

https://www.wikihow.com/Bless-a-House
This one seems to mirror the way Father Ray blessed the house. Although this last one is from an evil secular site, so perhaps you'll go to Hell for viewing it.

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Re: Funny to see this from Osuna

Post by jimmysmokes » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:30 pm

Dan the Damned wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:29 pm
And again, these catholic websites disagree with you:
Dan the Damned wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:38 am
https://h-t.org/blessing-for-your-home
Oh. According to this one, you don't even need a priest to be there.

https://www.holyredeemervan.org/media/1 ... essing.pdf
This one also says a priest is not needed.

https://www.catholicdoors.com/prayers/e ... p02605.htm
This one just features a long prayer and adds: "Then the home is sprinkled with holy water."

https://www.wikihow.com/Bless-a-House
This one seems to mirror the way Father Ray blessed the house. Although this last one is from an evil secular site, so perhaps you'll go to Hell for viewing it.
The first one of these is from a church that is not Catholic! It is of the abominable Vatican II sect, the end times counterfeit church that was predicted to rise in the last days. If you look on their page you'll notice exactly what I'm referring to. I can also show you what is condemned from official church teaching regarding this "church" and it's practices. Let's not get into this argument please.

The second one I've seen before and even if it were true, states the the family must be gathered TOGETHER to perform the house blessing. We can agree that the Lutzes didn't do this on moving day.

The last one shows a pic of the family together with the priest indicating this is what is needed for a proper blessing.
If you care to read onto the Jewish blessing you'll see the family has to be together to perform.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d49/t ... herRay.jpg


Does this man appear to be even the least bit catholic in anyone's eyes in here?

If so, point out what I missed?

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