Matt9290 wrote:There is no way in hell I would ever try to defend a character like Ronnie... But in the UK had a child murderess called Myra Hindley (back in the 1960s). I used to be amazed by all the morally enlightened attitude towards her - people wishing her dead, claiming they would like five-minutes alone with her so they could give her the sort of treatment that she give to those children... But doesn't that mean that they are no better than her? Or am I missing something?
As I recall Myra Hindley died in prison. It would have been nice if her or Ian Brady let the victim's relatives know where their loved ones were buried as I understand there is one who has still not been found. I think that the revenge / justice factor (some say there is a fine line between both) is an age-old feeling - when it comes down to it we get this feeling of wanting justice for the family and to see the killers put behind bars for life. Or to be put to death. I think from a lot of people's point of view in some situations it was warranted - Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy for example. When the crime is so heinous the ultimate punishment is required and in some way to bring closure for the families (if that is possible).
Totally agree with you Brendan72. Had Brady and Hindley 'hung' at that time, the family might have moved on.... to a fashion. But having those two in prison was almost like a mental torture for the family of the victims - hardly a month passed without a story hitting the press. And I'm sure people like Ronnie Hindley etc, feed on such attention and notoriety.
But they provoke the worst kind of feelings and reactions in people. I fully understand that the families involved want 'justice' - and had a mad dog attached and killed people, it would be destroyed - you wouldn't keep it in a cage as a reminded.
The fact that someone like Ronnie can provoke such hatred, not just by those who knew him and the families involved, but by by people who just read about them, is surly not constrictive or beneficial to anyone - if fact, it costs taxpayers thousands each year to keep them in this state.
In Hindly's case - the crime seemed almost unbelievable at that time because she was a woman. Brady was considered just another sicko - but they equally were to blame and both showed little to no remorse over the crime they had committed.
They could never have let either of them out of prison, no matter what they said or did, as people related to the victims had already gone on record saying that they would kill them both, and gladly serve time for the crime.
I guess my point is that these relatives, who I am sure were nice normal average people with nice normal lives that we could all identify with. If they could be driven to 'murder' then there is definitely something fundamentally wrong with the law and the way we as a species give value to their lives.
Hindley, Brady, Ronnie and others like them create hatred, which is never constructive.
As someone who did not know any of them all I can say is what they did was so wrong, I cannot even begin to understand their mentality, nor would I want to. But they do not provoke hatred in me - and reading through the past posts, it is obvious that Ronnie provokes passionate hatred in people who have only ever read about what he has done. Maybe because I am a humanist with no religious leaning whatsoever, my view is that this sort of hatred serves no purpose.