Exsecratio wrote:One of Physics fundamental laws is the conservation of energy
"The total energy of an isolated system is conserved over time, thus energy cannot be created or destroyed, only it's state can be changed"
Thus far nothing in science can rule out the existence of energy left behind by isolated systems (people).
Is that energy manifest? I don't know
Can in *inhabit* another item or person? I don't know
Can it be felt or perceived by third parties? I don't know
Seems to be a lot of laws I spent many years working within that don't come with many testable extrapolations......
Remember 800 years ago the earth was flat
1,000 years ago the sun orbited the earth
Exsecratio wrote:Valid point's DC (apologies for the timeline but was just a very rough example to show what we do not understand doesn't mean it's not understandable at some point)
I can see the article pointing toward potential energy (consumed body parts being used by organisms to generate energy,or rather converting from mass to energy as such) the small mention on that article about the electrical charge being dissipated as heat bothers me though. I'm not an MD so don't know what charge the body carries, I do know that light to heat and electricity to heat is quite normal (I work with lasers) but haven't managed to find supporting evidence of a temperature increase in a person when life is extinct.
On the Ghost side of things....I'm not a believer, currently there is no real evidence they exist (lots of opinions but not even any that qualifies as testable theories) seems to be that the world of the "supernatural" makes a lot of assumptions that while popular have no scientific evidence and as are not testable or repeatable don't even qualify as theory.
I guess it's the crossroads where belief and fact meet
Exsecratio wrote:It's not a case of me believing them Jimmy (Chris is a great friend and I trust him totally) it's more a case of at this current time there is no scientific proof of the existence of the supernatural.
Anecdotal evidence certainly exists in bucket loads and numerous reports from intelligent and trustworthy people, sadly that isn't proof of factbelieve me I wish it was but looking at it in the cold light of day thus far there have been no repeatable tests of any theories that have been offered. I can't in all honesty say that there is only one possible explanation for the events at 112, if we were at that point then the world would truly be an enlightened place.
jimmysmokes wrote:no evidence exists for haunting especially when all was refuted, rather quickly.
Exsecratio wrote:It's not a case of me believing them Jimmy (Chris is a great friend and I trust him totally) it's more a case of at this current time there is no scientific proof of the existence of the supernatural.
Anecdotal evidence certainly exists in bucket loads and numerous reports from intelligent and trustworthy people, sadly that isn't proof of factbelieve me I wish it was but looking at it in the cold light of day thus far there have been no repeatable tests of any theories that have been offered. I can't in all honesty say that there is only one possible explanation for the events at 112, if we were at that point then the world would truly be an enlightened place.
Ayko wrote:Exsecratio wrote:It's not a case of me believing them Jimmy (Chris is a great friend and I trust him totally) it's more a case of at this current time there is no scientific proof of the existence of the supernatural.
Anecdotal evidence certainly exists in bucket loads and numerous reports from intelligent and trustworthy people, sadly that isn't proof of factbelieve me I wish it was but looking at it in the cold light of day thus far there have been no repeatable tests of any theories that have been offered. I can't in all honesty say that there is only one possible explanation for the events at 112, if we were at that point then the world would truly be an enlightened place.
The entire discussion goes nowhere because the focus you all have is on one single street adress and location although the paranormal activity begins and persists over the decades throughout the (entire Long Island) area. Focusing on one incident with a changed house number, New Jersey Location for tales, etc, leaves us to understand that people are afraid of the truth and diverting it elsewhere while blurring out the connected incidents of the (Amityville Long Island) area.
Exsecratio wrote:It's not a case of me believing them Jimmy (Chris is a great friend and I trust him totally) it's more a case of at this current time there is no scientific proof of the existence of the supernatural.
sherbetbizarre wrote:jimmysmokes wrote:ask yourself a question. why would the lutzes have a priest do a catholic blessing on their new home (on the first day no less) when neither one of them practiced Catholicism?
http://www.amityvillefaq.com/haunting1.html#religious
Bodie_Rose wrote:sherbetbizarre wrote:jimmysmokes wrote:ask yourself a question. why would the lutzes have a priest do a catholic blessing on their new home (on the first day no less) when neither one of them practiced Catholicism?
http://www.amityvillefaq.com/haunting1.html#religious
The FAQ doesn't actually truly explain anything. I'll tell you why it doesn't.
When they learned it was the DeFeo house, George and Kathy decided that this didn't bother them as far as living there themselves was concerned. Sure, it was tragic but did not scare or put them off. Seemingly no superstitions about actually buying the place. So why would they be talked into having it blessed if it simply was not an issue?
My family has a Catholic background. I was not really brought up all that religious though, and consider myself at best a non-practicing Catholic. I don't believe in house-blessing... it seems pointless to have something like that done when you don't even believe it does anything. George stated he supposedly did not believe in all that supernatural stuff, so why the change of heart and asking for a blessing?
jimmysmokes wrote:you forgot to throw in they were chanting their hare Krishna in the house too. catholic pagans and blessings too. sorry, aint buying it.
jimmysmokes wrote:hmm. budweiser and vodka, those kinds of spirits
Victoria Principles wrote:jimmysmokes wrote:you forgot to throw in they were chanting their hare Krishna in the house too. catholic pagans and blessings too. sorry, aint buying it.
Catholics and pagans have a lot in common. Now if you would put down the blunt and do a little research, you would know that.
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