Flies and incest

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Paulie76801
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Flies and incest

Post by Paulie76801 » Sat May 27, 2017 12:41 pm

So I just finished reading 'Murder in Amityville' by Hanz Holzer. In it, there is, exactly, one sentence which claims Butch and Dawn engaged in incestuous activity. One sentence, then no further mention. And no reference as to where that allegation originated. Nothing. What the hell? In my fairly extensive research of the Defeo murders, I have run across one magazine article which also leveled the charge at Butch and our favorite victim. Again, no source hinted at, and the writing implied that their behavior is well established. I'd like to know where this crap originates. Anybody know?


Also, more trivially, attorney Webber, in one documentary, states that he possessed photos showing multitudes of houseflies in Dawn's room. I cannot find a single shred of evidence anywhere else that there was ever so much as one dead fly in that house. I've seen every photo I could find. Even the morgue ones. Can anybody verify his assertion? Please? Are flies even common in NY in November? Help!

Someone here stated that 'Mrs. Defeo' kept the house at 80 degrees F. While that would explain, perhaps, why the police appear to have opened every window in the house upon their arrival, I wonder at the source of that info.

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Post by jimmysmokes » Sat May 27, 2017 1:33 pm

check out my sgt. defeo thread to learn about the incest and said topic...

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Post by Brooke Forrester » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:20 pm

Paulie76801 wrote:So I just finished reading 'Murder in Amityville' by Hanz Holzer. In it, there is, exactly, one sentence which claims Butch and Dawn engaged in incestuous activity. One sentence, then no further mention. And no reference as to where that allegation originated. Nothing. What the hell? In my fairly extensive research of the Defeo murders, I have run across one magazine article which also leveled the charge at Butch and our favorite victim. Again, no source hinted at, and the writing implied that their behavior is well established. I'd like to know where this crap originates. Anybody know?


Also, more trivially, attorney Webber, in one documentary, states that he possessed photos showing multitudes of houseflies in Dawn's room. I cannot find a single shred of evidence anywhere else that there was ever so much as one dead fly in that house. I've seen every photo I could find. Even the morgue ones. Can anybody verify his assertion? Please? Are flies even common in NY in November? Help!

Someone here stated that 'Mrs. Defeo' kept the house at 80 degrees F. While that would explain, perhaps, why the police appear to have opened every window in the house upon their arrival, I wonder at the source of that info.
I never heard Weber say there were flies, but I did hear him say there were maggots and it was because it was hotter in her room being on the top floor.

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Post by Buick - 1975 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:23 am

I heard William Weber say about flies swarming around in Dawn's room on the Smithsonian "The Real Story" DVD and Dr. Adelman mentioned at the trial about a "distinct foul smelling odor" in the room.

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Post by Victoria Principles » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:13 am

Flies are quite common in older homes. During the winter. As long as the house is warm.

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Post by Amityville Rock » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:28 pm

Weber claimed during the Joel Martin Interview of August 1979 that Dawn's dead body became infested with maggots many of which hatched into flies. I won't go into the gruesome reasons Weber gave as the probable cause of the infestation.
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Post by Brendan72 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:44 am

I am not sure how long generally it takes for a body to manifest maggots from time of death. I guess it depends on what external factors can accelerate decomposition? Not sure. I just ate so it is probably good I do not elaborate any further.
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Post by Brooke Forrester » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:26 pm

Victoria Principles wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:13 am
Flies are quite common in older homes. During the winter. As long as the house is warm.
Yes. We had fruit flies all winter last year. Our house is about the same age the Amityville house was back then.

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Post by stonesunturned » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:58 pm

<t>Assuming there was a female blowfly in Dawn's room at the moment she died, and assuming said blowfly laid her eggs in Dawn's body immediately after death (you'd be surprised how efficient the little monsters are) then it would take a MINIMUM of 24 hours for them to hatch. So, AT LEAST 24 hours would have to pass before between the time of death, and maggots would be seen doing their thing. It takes a MINIMUM of 14 days for maggots to mature into adults. <br/>
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There could have been dead squirrels or mice or birds or rats somewhere in the attic, etc. of a big rambling house like that.</t>
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Post by Brooke Forrester » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:30 pm

I’m not sure much about insects or how they get to the dead, but I read that when the Playmate/actress Dorothy Stratten was murdered in her ex-home by her husband, who then killed himself, there were ants crawling on her on body and going for his, and they were found only a few hours or so after dying.

I just had some maggots in some old fruit in the kitchen, from our fruit flies, and it’s cold lately here. I just rescued a fly today from drowning in a bowl of water outside.

My point is I don’t think it’s as unusual as it was made out to be for there to be flies alive in cold weather or to be on dead things and laying their maggots on things quickly.

Btw, maggots aren’t as gross as we think. They’re just baby flies. Who also aren’t anything bad.

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