VampireKen wrote:I've heard two things about the night of the murders that apparently someone noted as odd. The first is the house was all lit up that night. and someone saw Dawn walk out of the house in a hood and gloves with the rifle or something. does anyone know who this person was who saw these things?
First of all we have to distinguish between hearsay (someone claiming someone else told them something) and someone claiming to actually have witnessed (heard or seen) something coming forward and that person giving their account to authorities directly.
As was pointed out already, Consentino came forward early on to give her account of what she remembered seeing on her way home from work. She thought it unusual that the entire house was lit up at that hour of night. Could she have made such up because she wanted to somehow say she had a story to tell about it. Sure but given her lack of staying in the limelight it is unlikely. Could she have been wrong and only a lot of lights have been on not all of them? Sure but any such error wouldn’t really have any significance. Even only a bunch of lights on at that hour would indicate the had already been killed and he was cleaning up things. Why is this significant? If Ronnie had not confessed this evidence would be extremely important.
Ron originally tried to tell police the murders must have happened after he left for work. Yet at the same time he was leaving the door open to saying they were killed before he even got home the night before. He came up with details about not wanting to wake up the household so left with the wrong set of keys and didn’t go in their rooms to disturb them to look for his keys. After he admitted he was home when they were murdered Cosentino’s testimony wasn’t as important except to corroborate things. But if he had not confessed and continued to claim they must have been murdered after he left for work then her testimony would impeach his claims. All or most of the lights being on would be an indication the murders already happened by that time. He says he didn’t leave for work until after 4am. Leaving at 6am would be enough to avoid traffic so leaving at 4 makes no sense anyway. At any rate, his own claim that he was home when all the lights were on before the time he claimed to have left for work would impeach his claims that they must have been murdered after he left.
Why would he turn on all the lights? To clean up of course, how would he find all the casings in the dark?
The other account you are referring to was not from a witness we have only hearsay. Long story short Rick Moran claims a DEA agent told him that he was outside the house looking for evidence of drug dealing and while there heard the gunshots and saw the muzzle flashes. Then he saw Dawn leave the house in an overcoat that belonged to someone else and left with a rifle but came back shortly thereafter without a rifle.
Rick Moran has never identified this supposed DEA agent. In fact he contradicted himself tremendously. In some accounts he claimed the witness was a close friend of his who worked for the DEA. In other accounts though he claimed it was a person who came forward claiming to be a DEA agent.
Frankly I think Moran made the claim of a witness coming forward up entirely. At any rate, even if someone did come forward claiming to be a DEA agent Moran clearly never confirmed the person actually worked for the DEA at the time claimed and it was just someone making an unsubstantiated claim. Even if someone who we could verify worked for the DEA at the time of the murders came forward with this tale so we could test his credentials out, I still would not believe it because it is ridiculous.
First of all the DEA doesn’t stake out a house of someone who they believe is importing drugs to try to catch evidence of drug dealing. They stake out where drugs are being dealt from. Thus if there is a report of drugs being dealt from a location they observe such locaiton to try to see if they observe indicia of drug dealing. there wa sno claim of drugs being dealt from the DeFeo home.
Moreover, the supposed claims that there was always a car outside and an open investigation at the time has never been shown to be true ANYWHERE. There is a claim that police knew the DEA had a car out there watching. If that were the case then Sullivan would have received notice and tried to have interviewed the DEA about such. The whole thing is clearly fabricated either by Moran himself or by a person who told this crap to Moran.
Is it credible that a DEA agent would do nothing if he heard gunshots and saw someone going room to room killing the occupants? That is absurd, he would have called authorities if not have checked it out himself. Well they didn’t want to tip their hand about the investigation… If the people they were investigating were being murdered what exactly would they need to protect by not investigating the murders? They could have caught accomplices or enemies and thus caught other drug dealers. AT MININMU they would have phoned the police that surely would not compromise their investigation.
The part about Dawn disposing of the weapon and then returning is likewise ridiculous. She was murdered with it so how could she have been the one who disposed of it? To show how ridiculous Moran is he claims that Ron would never have carried a loaded weapon around he would have emptied it before putting it in his car and disposing of it in the water. He says that proves it was Dawn not Ron who got rid of it. The notion Ron was this very careful handler of weapons is absurd. How could she have disposed of the weapon that was used to murder her though? For Moran ot make such a claim it means he is an idiot. There is no other way to say it.
Moran has shown himself to no be that knowledgeable about the case. He messed up a number of things such as misrepresented details of Ron’s confession. I need not discuss all of them here it just goes to further show he is not even close to an expert on the case. He important thing he messed up though was claiming that in his confession he said Dawn was in a black cloak and wore black gloves and tried to hand him the rifle but he wouldn’t take it. In fact, he said it was as IF the rifle were handed to him by someone with black gloves. He didn’t say it was definitely Dawn and he took the rifle he didn’t refuse it.
Something to note is that this tale of his took many different progressions. It started out with him saying he took 2 psychics there and this account is what the psychics told him. Later it morphed into the DEA tale.
Conveniently Michael Shaner is dead. He was a Suffolk County cop and Moran claims he was a friend of his. He claims Shaner told him various things he witnessed such as this car being parked outside the house with a US Health Department sticker on it. From there he extrapolated to it being a DEA car. For all we know one of the neighbors worked for the US Department of Health. But then again I could be a tale Michael Shaner made up to try to make it seem like he knew something secret. But another alternative is that Moran made it up knowing Shaner was dead and could not refute his claims. He also claims Shaner told him he witnessed the Lutzes meet DeFeo. I find it hard to believe he would see this meeting and even more difficult to believe tha tevne if he had witnessed such a meeting he would remember it. Anytime Moran needs a source for some explosive claim he falls back on his dead supposed friend. I believe Moran is making it all up as he goes along.
There is in fact no police records about a drug investigation so it seems his claims such records exist are bull.
In sum, even if alleged witnesses did come forward to Moran their claims are ridiculous and they were clearly lying. But more likely Moran made up all this crap himself.
