Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

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Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby msmart112 » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:48 pm

In Ric Osuna’s The Night The DeFeos Died…he wrote that he had found a photo among the DeFeo crime scene photos that depicted bloody shoes.

Ric Osuna went on to claim that the blood on the shoes had resulted from Ronnie and Bobby Kelske cleaning Dawn’s room on the afternoon of November 13th.

To me…that was an absurd claim. Not only was the blood in that picture still wet…but the surroundings in that picture did not match any area of the DeFeo home…nor were any “bloody shoes” ever taken into evidence by the police…

http://www.amityvillehorrortruth.com/Shoes1.htm

Ric Osuna also made a wild claim about a “seventh body” photo that he said he found among the DeFeo crime scene photos.

I think it’s certainly possible that photos from a different crime scene had become mixed-in with the DeFeo crime scene photos…especially after so many years had passed.

A few months ago…our very own Astonio discovered the very possible identity of Ric Osuna’s “seventh body”…

http://www.amityvillefaq.com/truthboard ... php?t=5041

...and now I’m wondering…could the “bloody shoes” photo have originated from the same crime scene?

Not only did the murder of Karen Marie DeGennaro happen in the same county as the DeFeo murders…but she was murdered less than a week after Ronnie killed his family.

And if the photos were ever organized by last name…it would have been just about as close as it gets…

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Karen was stabbed…as well as her brother Anthony. Her killer, Vito Coscia, then hid the knife under the living room sofa before going into the bathroom to wash his hands…

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…here’s the “bloody shoes” photo…

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Postby Dan the Damned » Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:00 pm

Something that jumps out at me from that photo is that it looks as if it were taken inside a very messy, unkempt house or apartment. It looks like that carpet hasn't been vaccumed in years.

Last week I had to switch out a couple of surge protectors for my computers, and the carpet back there (under my desk) looked similar to this photo - all dirty with little bits of things mixed with dust and hair and whatever. Except there were no bloody shoes under my desk (I threw them out beforehand)...

But what I'm getting at is I don't think Mrs DeFeo would have kept her house that messy...
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Postby SwingMan » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:00 pm

What room is the pic supposed to be taken in again?

I don't remember any room with plain white walls in 112 - was this partially inside a closet?
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Postby Dan the Damned » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:21 pm

Max's earlier article outlines the whole bloody shoe thing perfectly. http://www.amityvillehorrortruth.com/Shoes1.htm
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Postby sherbetbizarre » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:40 am

SwingMan wrote:What room is the pic supposed to be taken in again?


Ric and Geraldine could never quite agree which room this was meant to be in!
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Postby astonio » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:05 am

Dan the Damned wrote:Something that jumps out at me from that photo is that it looks as if it were taken inside a very messy, unkempt house or apartment. It looks like that carpet hasn't been vaccumed in years.

Last week I had to switch out a couple of surge protectors for my computers, and the carpet back there (under my desk) looked similar to this photo - all dirty with little bits of things mixed with dust and hair and whatever. Except there were no bloody shoes under my desk (I threw them out beforehand)...

But what I'm getting at is I don't think Mrs DeFeo would have kept her house that messy...


Excellent point!! I've often remarked how the 112 was immaculate. The downstairs was just above par for a large family, in the late fall, where things might be expected to be strewn around the house. Never did I buy these mysterious bloody shoes...too much of a leap. And also the reference made regarding the alphabetical order of the victims...great, great observation!! BraVO!!
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Postby Shawn » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:57 pm

I'm betting that the bloody shoe was taken from the same scene of the "7th victim" crime scene.
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Postby SilkyPup » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:38 am

Yeah...it never looked to me that it belonged in that house.
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Postby screwdriver » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:46 am

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I have examined this pic and found a few things to lead me to believe it was not taken in the house

First off the white shoe I circled in yellow its to bad we dont have a very good enlargement of this pic because we could read the brand and investigate what years this style was produced and maybe even see the size to see if it was Dawn's size and was this style common in the early 70s ? I don't know the history of womens shoes so forgive me

second off the purple arrow I have pointing to what looks to me like a register cover for like a air duct for a furnance or ac but I have never seen a floor airduct in any of the other pics of the house and if this pic was in a closet why would there be a air duct thats very uncommon, I'm not sure its a register cover it looks like it to me though

and finally third off my blue arrow the baseboard not particulary the baseboard but the bad caulking job on it which I find odd in the other pics on the link to maxs article with the other baseboards none of them have caulking so why would this one? I doubt they would have just sporatically caulked one baseboard in there home and especially a baseboard in a closet why bother caulking that one!

It does not add up!
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Postby sherbetbizarre » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:03 am

screwdriver wrote:First off the white shoe I circled in yellow its to bad we dont have a very good enlargement of this pic because we could read the brand and investigate what years this style was produced and maybe even see the size to see if it was Dawn's size and was this style common in the early 70s ? I don't know the history of womens shoes so forgive me


We did that when the pic appeared - it's Fruit of the Loom - from what I remember they told someone "no" they didn't make them back then, and someone else, "yes" they did!
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Postby Dan the Damned » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:44 pm

sherbetbizarre wrote:from what I remember they told someone "no" they didn't make them back then, and someone else, "yes" they did!


The basic history of these boards in a nutshell. :D
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Postby Brendan72 » Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:06 pm

I'm inclined to believe that it may have come from the Coscia crime scene. The carpeting in the photograph and the general disarray of the bedroom (within the confines of the photograph) appears to be a different state to what the bedrooms in the DeFeo house are - Dawn's and Alison's bedrooms appeared to be tidier and neater than the ones in the Coscia crime scene photographs.

For example, the carpeting appears to have not been vaccuumed, as well as the shoes in a state of disarray - as if they had been carelessly thrown on the floor when taken off - two mismatched shoes as well - both appear to be similar in size though it is not always easy to determine shoe sizes from appearance on a photograph ... I know people who wear different size shoes on the basis of what kind of shoes they are and for what occasion they are worn for - the leather shoes appear to be for school or formal occasion whereas the other shoe appears to be for casual around-the-house use. I can relate to my own personal example where I wear a size 11 shoe for some occasions and I purchased a new pair of shoes recently which are a 12, because the brand of shoes I purchased at 11 did not fit - so it comes down to style and brand etc.
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby coscia22 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:59 pm

vito coscia is my uncle to all you people out there.. i no the real story so i dont no what exactly you all think happend but my uncle did not kill anyone.. my uncle was framed and if you all didnt no here is the truth, the mother of the kids is a lesbian and she told my family and my uncle her kids werre weighing her down. my uncle loved her kids and would never and if you saw both of her statements she says completely 2 different things. deganaro fallowed my uncle around all night trying to get him to her house finaly after harrassing my uncle the whole night he agreed to go she had it set in her mind she was gunna kill her kids she just needed to pin it on somebody and after a full night of drinking my uncle was the victom. my father was with my uncle the whole night intill he left to go to the house. my uncle served 35 years and he was innocent...
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby Tim » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:08 pm

You lost me @ lesbian........
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby Dan the Damned » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:18 pm

Welcome to the board.

We know nothing of the Karen DeGennaro murder except for what we've found in the newspapers. But honestly, we're just trying to figure out if these crime scene photos came from that case, or from the DeFeo murder:

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(I grayed-out the body in the 2nd pic.)

These photos are said to have come from the DeFeo crime scene, but they don't seem to match the DeFeo house interior. Furthermore, they are being used as evidence to back up allegations of a possible police coverup in the DeFeo case (by a book author we don't trust).

This author claims that on his visit to the police station (to buy prints of the DeFeo crime scene pictures) these two photos were included.

We think these photos perhaps got mixed up over the years, and may, in fact, have come from the Karen DeGennaro case.
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby coscia22 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:15 pm

the mother of the kids my uncle supposedly hurt was a lesbian her and her husband got devorced and she started banging another women i dono how u lost me on that but the mothers girlfriend didnt like the kids and didnt want a girlfriend that had kids thats why the kids were weighing her down it was ruining her relationship with her girlfriend.....my uncke didnt hurt anybody...he was framed weather everyone on here wants to believe it or not but when you have big political speakers in ur corner like the mother of the kids did and no forensic science some1 like my uncle did alot of jail time and passed away in there..my uncle did not hide any knife under the couch he was sleeping on and he wouldnt of killed any kids when the mother and her girlfriend supposedly left for only 20 minutes to go to the store..there are 2 articles and 2 statements and she says 2 totaly different things
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby coscia22 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:32 pm

if you guys would like to no the truth and the full story u can email me at beginin2endoflife22@live.com i just dont like the fact people made my uncle out to be a monster.....he would never do that and i spoke to him and my family on more then enough times to understand and know the truth..i would giive up every detail i no and give up that bitch karen to save my last name and my unces soul to let him rest in piece!!!
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby Dan the Damned » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:43 pm

coscia22 wrote:my uncke didnt hurt anybody...he was framed weather everyone on here wants to believe it or not...


I don't think you understand. We're not interested in whether your uncle was guilty or not. We're just interested in knowing if the two photos above are from that same crime scene.

coscia22 wrote:...i would giive up every detail i no and give up that bitch karen to save my last name and my unces soul to let him rest in piece!!!


"Karen" is the name of the little girl who was murdered. :shock: Did you mean to say "Carol" (the mother)?
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby coscia22 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:51 pm

carol my bad yes and ohh the pictures if u would like to no the truth i can tell you lol that...my fathers been in that house alot like i said carol was a family friend as soon as i find out ill tell u the color of the carpet the brand of shoes and if that was the bed room the other person posted
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby Link the Labrador » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:00 am

That'll be interesting, Coscia. Hope you turn up with something. =)
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Re: Possible origin of the “bloody shoes” photo?

Postby sherbetbizarre » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:19 am

coscia22 wrote:i just dont like the fact people made my uncle out to be a monster.....


We're just going by newspaper accounts.. and of course, we are mainly interested in his connection to DeFeo.

Did he ever talk about DeFeo and what DeFeo had said to him?
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