sweetmate wrote:...if she died in her sleep, wouldn't her eyes be closed?
sweetmate wrote:I just started watching Shattered Hopes Part 1 on Amazon. I'm only about 20 minutes in but when they showed Lousie DeFeo clutching the heart necklace, she has a look of terror on her face. I've seen the pics of her and Big Ronnie laying on their stomachs in the bed shot, but I had never seen that pic before. Now I don't know much about what happens to a person's body after they die but if she died in her sleep, wouldn't her eyes be closed? Even if she got rolled over for the photo and her eyes opened, it seems like they would be more blank. She looks terrified. I've heard that she sat up after her husband was shot and was not sleeping. Would the look on her face lend credeance to that theory? Or maybe it's not a theory at all and you all have discussed that yes, she actually did sit up and saw Ronnie with the gun.
quotestheraven wrote:I"m starting to wonder if Dawn was, in fact, the first to be shot - not necessarily the first to die - but the first to be shot. We all assume the order of the murders based on Ronnie's statements, but Ronnie hasn't ever told the truth about anything else. Why would he tell the truth about that? I'm wondering if it went down something like this: Ronnie shoots Dawn. Dad gets up and yells, "WTF is wrong with you shooting that gun in the house?" Ronnie claims it was an accident. He was cleaning the gun. He goes down stairs and shoots his dad just as his dad was either getting back into bed or he made him lay down on the bed. Then, he shoots mom and the siblings.
Dawn was found in a natural sleeping position, and judging by the post mordem pictures I've seen - she just looks like she was sleeping peacefully apart from the damage done to her face. I just don't think she saw death coming for her - unlike poor Mrs. Defeo and Allison.
I know that Dawn had not yet gone into full rigor when the rest of the family did, so a lot of people think she was killed significantly later. But, here's a sad/depressing/morbid thought. You can live quite some time after being shot in the head. Abraham Lincoln was shot behind his left ear and he lived for almost 10 hours after being shot. I've also read that the "he died instantly" thing is usually a lie that is told for the comfort of the family. So, I'm wondering if Dawn was the first one shot, but her heart didn't actually stop beating for some time afterwards.
As for how the "they all died in their sleep" thing started - it was in all of the early newspaper clippings about the killing. It says they were all asleep and in exactly the same position. The media invented the mystery right from the beginning.
I also don't think there's anything coincidental about when the murders happened. I don't think it was a spur of the moment thing. I think Ronnie planned it out. He did it on a week night when all of his family would be home, no friends would be sleeping over, his father wasn't expected at work the next day.... The timing was really perfect. If his father had been expected at work that day, the bodies might have been discovered much sooner.
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:Hi Ken, would love to answer this question as it's a very good one. Unfortunately, THIS VERY TOPIC, among many, many others are part of the intensive discussion, along with new evidence/material we're going to present, in Part III. By the time the final credits role on Part III, Dawn's involvement will be thoroughly understood and I feel, as an investigator, and filmmaker, that every question about this case will be solved once and for all. So, in short....stay tuned.....Part III is progressing along rapidly for a release in the next few months.
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:...exactly how Dawn DeFeo was found in bed
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:...how Marc DeFeo's body was discovered. What's your opinion? Does the fact that both boys were discovered uncovered with their blankets pushed to the foot of the bed indicate that they were up and awake at the time they were murdered?
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:Dawn's crime scene, to me, look more staged than the rest of the victims. There can be no doubt that Dawn DeFeo was up and about...and that there was a struggle.
scipio-USMC wrote:While some claim that Dawn was not yet in full rigor I have never seen such from a reliable source. At any rate she coudl have been shot last and still died much later.
SHATTERED HOPES: THE TRUE STORY OF THE AMITYVILLE MURDERS wrote:I'll let you guys in on what the autopsy says: Dawn's wound, first off, was not at close range. There was absolutely zero stippling around the wound indicating that the shot came from a distance of perhaps 4 feet, possibly more.
The bullet went in the back of her neck and travelled through the skull to the left side of her head. A fragment of the bullet pierced her skull next to her left eye and this would be the fragment that they found outside of her body. The bulk of the shell was found inside her skull, and thus removed, when the autopsy was performed. Dawn's skull suffered an implosion which caused one side to cave in. (Wow, this is horrible stuff to talk about) The skull contains a tremendous amount of pressure within it. Thus, when Dawn's skull was pierced, there was a rapid release of pressure through the small hole made by the exiting projectile.
Interestingly, Dawn DeFeo's autopsy contains two distinct causes of death: (1) massive hemorrhage due to the shot to the back of her neck, and (2) asphyxiation. In other words, after the shot was administered, Dawn hung on to life long enough to essentially drown in her own blood.
Frightening and sad stuff.
asphyxiation. In other words, after the shot was administered, Dawn hung on to life long enough to essentially drown in her own blood.
quotestheraven wrote:asphyxiation. In other words, after the shot was administered, Dawn hung on to life long enough to essentially drown in her own blood.
That would actually support my theory that Dawn was actually the first one shot, but not the first one to die.
astonio wrote:Are we looking at the same crime scene photo? I don't understand how Ryan can emphatically state there was a struggle in her room - no doubt. I saw nothing askew in her bedroom. Her vanity or the small table filled with nail polish to the night stand...nothing visible was moved or turned over. Further, from the way she was shot by her brother in the back of the head, how do you do this after a struggle? How does the lack of recorded stippling negate she was shot at close range? Does Ryan know how many feet from her bedroom doorway to her bed was to say where Ronnie stood?
Lamelune wrote:I have seen this very rare pic.
I don't understand why her face is blue or purple ?
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